What A Breath Of Fresh Air

We have a christian historian pointing out the foolishness of the
Christian Nation Argument.

The fact that some parts of the Declaration and/or Constitution are not in conflict with verses in the Bible does not mean that the Bible was the source. This is especially important when -- as in the case of the Declaration and the Constitution -- the authors claim other sources, but do not claim the Bible as a source!
In a May 8, 1825 letter to Henry Lee, Jefferson identifies his sources for the Declaration's principles. He names as sources: Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, and (Algernon) Sidney -- he does not mention the Bible. Then again, the terminology in the Declaration is not specifically Christian -- or even biblical, with the exception of "Creator." The term "providence" is never used of God in the Bible, nor are "nature's God" or "Supreme Judge of the world" ever used in the Bible.

In the hundreds of pages comprising Madison's notes on the constitutional convention (and those of the others who kept notes), there is no mention of biblical passages/verses in the debates/discussions on the various parts and principles of the Constitution. They mention Rome, Sparta, German confederacies, Montesquieu, and a number of other sources -- but no Scripture verses.

In The Federalist Papers, there is no mention of biblical sources for any of the Constitution's principles, either -- one would think they could squeeze them in among the 85 essays if they were, indeed, the sources; especially since the audience was common men who were familiar with, and had respect for, the Bible. The word "God" is used twice -- and one of those is a reference to the pagan gods of ancient Greece. "Almighty" is used twice and "providence" three times -- but neither is ever used in connection with any constitutional principle or influence. The Bible is not mentioned.

These are not little details and are facts that anyone who wants to argue the history and intent of the founding of our must understand. Yet we still see an army of liars for Christ trying to invent a false history that fits their world view and justifies their political objectives.


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Christians, History

God Does Have A Sense Of Humor

You may remember some fake Christians tried to advance a very stupid and childish campaign to pray for rain during Obama's acceptance speech.

Well it appears that their prayers may not have been answered in a manner they expected.

Republican officials said yesterday that they are considering delaying the start of the GOP convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul because of Tropical Storm Gustav, which is on track to hit the Gulf Coast, and possibly New Orleans, as a full-force hurricane early next week.

I think Obama may have picked up another super delegate.


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Christians, Election 2008, Obama

Issue Driven Christians and Habitual Dishonesty

There has been a quite fascinating little dust-up that allows all to see the serial dishonesty that some Christians are willing to engage in when their issue is involved. In this case it is evolution, a movie and the scientist who were interviewed for it.

In short, these self professed Christians created a phony movie and lied to the various scientist they wanted to interview about the nature of the project. When one of the main targets of the movie tries to attend a showing of the film, they refuse him entry and threaten him with arrest, and then lie about everything involved in the incident, what happened and why it happened.

Serial lying, from a group claiming to want to promote honesty fairness and in the end christian values.

They seem to have fallen into the trap that is all to common, believing that the ends justify the ends, and that since their cause is noble (at least in their twisted little minds) any action, no matter how vile, is justified.

In the end it just make them and by association all Christians (most especially those with some sympathy to their issue) look like liars and frauds and to be honest, idiots.




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Christians, Evolution, Science